Originally by: Vasiliyan

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Datacore price might come down as the drop rate from exploration has allegedly been improved. Do you have to use the best named BCS as a base as well?

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=467789

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Originally by: Spatial PIMP

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My problem is the runs u get, that's all. 14-19 runs is to low. And yeah u will say i must work for my Dtacores and don;t buy them. But why should i use them on invention ( if i procure them my self ) and not sell them at 10-35mil on market in Jita? Why should i bother wait hours to invent, days to build the t2 item, another days to sell them?

Again the problem are 2: Only 14-19 runs is low, and 500Rp per datacore or 2-10 in a hacking plex is also to low.

My opinion is someting like 50 runs with the max runs decryptor ( litlle chance ) and 20-30 runs with the best decryptor.

I'm not talking about chances, the t1 item with hight ML or something else, everithing is cool except runs and datacores.

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Originally by: Shadarle

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I have to say it sounds like a lot of people here are complaining awfully fast. You can't judge how good the system is now until you see where prices go... people were complaining about rig prices when they first came out too, but those prices dropped quickly. Lets see what happens with datacore prices before we throw hissy fits.

Also, the profit levels were MASSIVE pre-patch for anyone who had the required pieces... it was just stupid how large the profit was. Now that profit has been toned down a bit until prices adjust themselves.

Previously, the profit would have dropped off very quickly anyhow... as T2 prices would have plummeted due to over-supply. They already are dropping due to the new T2 BPO's... but invention would have destroyed the prices until the profit from invention was rather small... then prices would have stabilized at that point. So either way the profit would not be that long, but the T2 market would have died if it was left as was.

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Originally by: Eton Favre

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I probably would have complained if it was in the patch notes but the fact that it was a totally silent nerf and we still have not heard a thing from a dev is what makes it totally screwed up. You do your best to plan for the patches read the patch notes and out of nowhere you get slammed by the changes they make.

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Originally by: Ramblin Man

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Originally by: Eton Favre

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invention should not be easy but with the current patch module invention is a waste of isk ... you can't get datacores cheap enough to invent anything @ a profit.

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Umm, then aren't market datacores overpriced?

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Originally by: Eton Favre

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damage to datacores would be a way to go too but you still need a steady supply of decryptors. not sure what would be the best solution to it. But still very upset by the fact that we have heard nothing from the devs in regards to why it changed without notice.

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Originally by: Derrys

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Edited by: Derrys on 04/02/2007 10:24:52

Y'all are looking at it the wrong way. The reason Invention is currently not so profitable is because the datacores are expensive. Why are they expensive? Because people want them for Invention!

What we have here is a situation very similar to T1 production, where there aren't many barriers to entry. Interfaces are getting cheaper, and more people want to try their hand at it.

It's just like T1 production in a competitive market -- profit margins are low, because the high level of competition drives down the sale price to the point where it isn't that much higher than the mineral cost (or even lower in some cases).

Same thing here: competition in the emerging T2 market is driving up datacore prices to the point where the cost of Invention is about equal to what you get from it.

What this change does is put the money into the hands of the researchers who generate the datacores, and the people who find them using Exploration. Ask the researchers and explorers who are churning out a dozen datacores a week whether they think Invention is unprofitable.

And that's the way it should be -- they have a lot more invested in terms of skill training and game time than people who just picked up an interface and rented a lab slot.

In the long run, trust the market. If Invention is currently unprofitable, then eventually fewer people will do it. Demand for datacores will drop, and so will the prices. It'll settle into an equilibrium eventually, and all will be well. Give it time.

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Originally by: Shadowsword

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Edited by: Shadowsword on 04/02/2007 11:43:40
I think CCP did that to force the price of datacores down.

If some types of datacores stayed at 30-40 millions per unit, it would have been possible (if long and dead boring) to set up R&D alts specialized on those science fields, to give you 150 millions each week, for next to no effort. I know it, that's what I was doing for the past 6 weeks.

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Originally by: Ezra

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Hell, if you're lucky you can get some datacores for 500 ISK each from someone too stupid to look at the price of their quicksell. There's a regionwide buy order at that price in Sinq and some guy actually sold 8 at that price!

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Originally by: Bermag

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I hope and believe it is a bug. Looks very much like the multiplier has been changed to addition. Nothing about the change in the patch notes and not in known issues either though.

Have you bug reported it? If not, then please do so so it will get into the formal system.

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Originally by: Derrys

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Originally by: DeODokktor

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CCP put in place a way for you to make isk from your RP if you did not win anything..

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Absolutely. The profit in Invention is for people who produce datacores, not necessarily the people who turn them into T2 BPCs. As you say, it's a way for people with large amounts of RP to get some use out of them instead of hoping against hope to get lucky in the lottery. I think it works wonderfully in that regard.

Of course, the people who both produce datacores and turn them into T2 BPCs stand to profit most of all, provided they act intelligently.

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Originally by: Derrys

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I've sold about 1.3 billion ISK worth of T2 modules in the last week. I didn't buy the datacores off the market, but if I had, the total cost would've been somewhere around 700 million. If you can't make a profit off Invention, then you're not doing it right. Either you're Inventing the wrong things, not using good decryptors and base items, or your skills need some work.

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